Is your mind still running on Windows 95? We explore passion, evolution, and the need to upgrade humanity’s inner software in a hybrid world.
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Guest: Jeremy Lasman
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In this thought-provoking episode of Redefining Society & Technology, I sit down with Jeremy Lasman to question the most overlooked gadget in the human-tech equation: our own mind. We ask — if we keep updating our devices, why don’t we update the inner operating system that powers our thoughts, creativity, and connection to the world?
Jeremy, a former SpaceX technologist turned philosopher-inventor, shares his journey from corporate IT to what he calls his “soul’s work”: challenging the legacy software running our lives — fear-based, outdated models of thinking — with something he calls “Imagination Technology.” It’s not metaphorical. It’s a real framework. And yes, it sounds wild — but it also makes a lot of sense.
We touch on everything from open-source thinking to quantum consciousness, from the speed of technological evolution to the bottlenecks of our cultural structures like education and societal expectations. At the center is a call to action: we need to stop treating passion as a luxury and instead recognize it as the fuel for personal and collective evolution.
Together, we reflect on how society tends to silo disciplines, discourage curiosity, and cling to binary thinking in a world that demands fluidity. Jeremy argues that redefining society begins with redefining the self — tearing down internal walls, embracing timelessness, and running life not on fear, but on imagination.
Is this transhumanism? Is it spiritual philosophy dressed up in tech language? Maybe. But it’s also deeply human — and urgent. Because in a world where AI and tech evolve by the day, we can’t afford to be running on emotional floppy disks.
So here’s the challenge: what if the next big upgrade isn’t an app, a device, or even a new piece of hardware — but a reprogramming of how we see ourselves?
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Why Humanity's Software Needs an Update in Our Hybrid World | A Conversation With Jeremy Lasman
Marco Ciappelli: [00:00:00] Well, hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of Redefining Society and Technology Podcast. I added technology a few episodes ago because even if I always. Consider technology. The thing that that is redefining society. Um, you know, search engine and contextualization and when people look for you, it's, uh, it was good to have technology there, but it's always been, and the other thing that has always been in my passion for this is the fact that it's a two-way, uh.
Two-way street. So it is not just society or technology that influenced the other, but it's a, it's a synergy between the two and, and should be like that. Otherwise, as I like to start, we're always just following blinking lights and funny noises and just take any gadget that is through at us. And um, today we're actually gonna talk probably more about what is the, the gadget [00:01:00] that make us human, which is.
Our brain if it is a gadget. I don't know. We'll see. Probably Jeremy. Disagree with me on that one. Uh, but uh, I am very excited to have this conversation. And the guest is Jeremy Lasman. Welcome to the show. Not too far from where I am actually.
Jeremy Lasman: Yeah, it's nice to be here, Marco.
Marco Ciappelli: See we're using technology and we could have met, you know, in about.
40 minutes, maybe more with traffic, but you know, we're not that far.
Jeremy Lasman: Maybe for the next one,
Marco Ciappelli: maybe for the next one, uh, for some reason I'm actually reconnected with a lot of people down in the, in the South Bay of LA where I used to live and, uh. And, uh, yeah, I, I kind of miss it. I miss those walk on the, on the strand and, and enjoy the sunset and where I used to kind of recharge my, my brain.
So see, I'm, I'm keep going in towards the brain here 'cause I know that's what we're gonna talk about here together with technology. So, Jeremy, a little bit about [00:02:00] yourself so that you can introduce to the audience. And then, uh, we'll just dive in. We got about half an hour.
Jeremy Lasman: Yeah. So, uh, I'm a, I, I guess I would consider myself a, a, a technologist.
Uh, I used to work for SpaceX, um, uh, in the IT and marketing, uh, departments there. Back when it was a startup, uh, I was kind of a, uh, a lone wolf, uh, and. After SpaceX, I, I went more towards the artistic side. I did a comic book with a group of artists, um, and then, uh, kind of really explored to myself, did the self discovery and, and really asked myself like I.
Really big questions to, to kind of explore my own passion, and that led me into my soul's work and, and the, the company that we have today. And, um, [00:03:00] uh, yeah, I, I'm kind of just an outside the box thinker. Uh, not really conventional. Um, and yes, it's nice to be here.
Marco Ciappelli: Well, that's, that's a lot of stuff you throw there.
But what was interesting for me is like when you introduce yourself through, uh, through the software again, the, the online, uh, matchmaking for guests and, and hosts to connect, it was pretty simple. Like, you know, I'm interesting what you're talking about. We should have a philosophical conversation and of course, like you knew me, that would've been enough instead of like trying to oversell and being in marketing.
You probably know that very well. So I, I am fascinated by the fact that I don't know really where we're gonna go with this, but technology, society. It is all about humanity. I talk a lot about cybersecurity as well. That's actually how ITSP magazine was born and it's, it's all there. It's [00:04:00] hybrid reality, I call it, between digital and real world, there's no really a line anymore.
It's kind of like a line in the sand that goes away often. How is your feeling towards that? Like you, you feel technology as. A lot of positive things for us. You feel it more like a threat? Are you in the middle?
Jeremy Lasman: Uh, I, I err on the, on the positive side. I, I think a lot of the, the fear and the threat, uh, actually probably stems more from like an entertainment, uh, and all the stories that, that we've seen with, uh, with technology and, and the implications.
Um, but it was early on that. I, I, I kind of saw what the narrative was of that fear and that it puts humanity and technology kind of on separate, uh, evolutionary mountains. I, I, I would say, [00:05:00] uh, whereas when I look at it, I just see it as one, one evolutionary mountain, and we're, we're. Both coming from opposite ends, but approaching the same, uh, peak.
Uh, and, and that's, that's a more collaborative, uh, way of looking at it. And that's the way I see it. Um, so I'm, I'm more positive and, and I see it, it, it's a partnership. It's, uh, we're, we're evolving together.
Marco Ciappelli: Yeah. I, I agree. I mean, I, I could, I could think of my, my idea is more of technology as an extension of our.
Humanity and, and, and to the point that it could be part of our evolution, which goes maybe a little bit into transhumanism, but not one of those. But I, I have to think that if we are who we are and we do what we do is because we, we create tools. Yes. And, and, and that's an extension of who we are. But yes.
With the [00:06:00] brain, right. That, that fuel that and, and probably the consciousness that allow us to think, or at least I hope we think, but sometimes it's done. What you say about the news, uh, is it, is it really that bad or bad news sell more than, than good news, so mm-hmm. But, but, but do you think that. Um, we could be taking some wrong way and then we need to make correction as as we go.
'cause I kind of do feel that way.
Jeremy Lasman: Mm. Wrong way. Like are you meaning like, we throw
Marco Ciappelli: technology, we, we do things because we can and then we like, wait a minute now that's not good. Let's back up because we are kind of screwing things up.
Jeremy Lasman: Hmm. I, I see that I, I mean, I kind of look at it in the evolutionary [00:07:00] lens again.
I see it's a learning process. I, I think you look at it more, um, I don't know, more childlike and, and you see that kind of mistakes are needed to grow. Uh, so I, I think if there is a mindfulness there, it is like. Yeah, you, you experiment, you, you push boundaries and, and you see what happens when you, when you go do those experiments, you try those things and, um, I, I think if there's a care and, and, um, and, uh, uh, uh.
Alignment. I, I, I think it's all a, a learning process and, and there's a growth because it's, it's, it's evolution. It, it's something that's been occurring over time, uh, forever. Mm-hmm. But it is just now we're, we're kind of te uh, telescoping. It, it's, it's, it's happening [00:08:00] much faster. So it's, it's gonna seem maybe more out of control in that, in that way, but.
I, I think it's, we're gonna adapt, we're gonna learn it. And it, it's, I I kind of say like, we're only evolving as fast a as we are ready for, and it's likewise the technology won't be available to us until we we're ready for it. And it's, it's a collaboration that is like very current.
Marco Ciappelli: Yeah, I love that. I think a lot of people think that technologies are just rain from the sky, like it's brought to us by some UFO and aliens life and they just drop it here and now like, okay, here's the box.
Figure it out. Right. But. We make the technology, we create it, we invent it. And, and I think I'm connecting here for what, what you, you, you introduce yourself with, which is the idea of we're passion [00:09:00] driven, so maybe we wanna define what, what is. The passion because being Italian, for me, passion is food.
It's art, it's right. I'm gonna use my hand and, and everything is driven by passion. I mean, I, when I go back in Italy, I'm like, I'm reabsorbed into a completely different way of thinking in a way. But, so there is that passion, but there is also the passion that that is for making the world a better place or passion for.
You know, many other things. So, so how, how do you define passion to start with?
Jeremy Lasman: I define passion as the, the fuel of the fuel of human energy. It is the inner power that actually drives our inner, our emotions. Uh, and it is, I, I, I feel. The [00:10:00] energy that sets us distinguishes animals and machines, uh, for what makes us unique here, uh, in in existence, uh, on, on, on the planet.
And, uh, I kind of want to go to connect a little.here with what you were saying, where you were saying. Technology is an extension. I, I kind of take that metaphor a little deeper and a little farther because as you were saying with the brain, the way I see it is if we see the body as the hardware, uh, including the brain a as that hardware, computer hardware, and the mind is the software.
Then we can really see the, the organic and the artificial [00:11:00] on the same level of, of emerging from that, that consciousness. And when, when we see more energetic, the, the, the, uh, energy. Uh hmm.
We see that like the passion being kind of that thing that spans all of it. It, it's the fuel that runs through the body mind. And if you go spirit and soul, uh, kind of the higher aspects of ourself, it's the, it's the thing that fuels everything together. Uh, and, and. That's why passion is more than just an uncontrollable emotion.
Uh, it is, it is the, like our fuel, uh, especially when you, like you said, what turns us on to life, what makes us feel alive, what gives us [00:12:00] purpose, and, and, uh, all those really important, you know, things.
Marco Ciappelli: So I agree. I mean, it, it, it drives sometimes things that seem crazy and unnecessary, right? It's like when, when you hear, I, I love that the talk of Kennedy, when you introduce the, the, the, the race to the moon.
When it, you talk about the mountain, like why you climb Mount Everest? And they said, because it was there. Right. And it, it is like, that's no logic, you know, because it was there. But, but there is a logic if you think about it as, as a, as a passion, as as an emotion to say, well I need to know, I need to discover and I need to, to go there.
It may seems be stupid 'cause you risk to lose your life, but that's how you find out what is there. You find out. You discover new continent in the 15, 1300, 1600, and how we, again, [00:13:00] went to the moon and we tried to go to space and probably reconnect with your experience at SpaceX. Like, why, why do you blow rockets like that?
And, and NASA did the same thing. And because, because question mark, I guess for you.
Jeremy Lasman: I mean, the, there, yeah. It's not, I mean, it was when we, if we, if we're only going logic, it doesn't seem logical, but, uh, there is an inherent attraction to the impossible. Um, I mean, at least that, that I've always had that, uh, for as long as I can remember.
Um, the, the awe inspiring kind of. I think, you know, Elon Musk says it sometimes, like the, the things that, you know, make you really excited to get up in the morning to, to tackle, uh, these next [00:14:00] generation, uh, visions and, and aims and goals. Uh, because it, it does fill you with that excitement and, um. The zest, uh, for being alive.
I, and I, I guess if I'm trying to like, go full circle and, and go, go, you know, into my emotions, like prior to any self-discovery and, and just like getting out of my own, uh. Mental prisons and, and, you know, people pleasing tendencies and all these things. Like, I can remember just that the isolation and that sadness for like, not being able to express myself, not knowing why I was here and the, the, and even being a big picture guy of like the [00:15:00] existential dread and negativity of, of, uh.
The opposite of, of like not wanting to be here, but like, you know why? I didn't know why. Um, so when I wrap it back to that and I see like what these moonshots and, and things represent, it's, it, it shakes up that, uh. Uh, you know, monotony or, or, you know, the boredom or that, the tension, the friction of, of, of that, of the negativity and the fears and the anxieties, and I.
It shakes that up. Maybe that's the best way of putting it.
Marco Ciappelli: Yeah, no, no, it makes sense. And I think it's, it's not easy to adopt ourself to all these changes. I mean, when you look at history and, and you see, you could [00:16:00] predict maybe in the, again, the 1800, what would it be? Life in, you know, 50 years later? Uh, there could have been innovation much slower, new form of technology.
Now, I, I, I read a lot of book about, you know, futurist and, and, uh, you know, from the singularities nearer to the, you know, whatever it is thrown. I also like to read a Sagan, which, you know, wrote amazing things 20 years ago. But, but the point is that. You, we don't know what's gonna be in 50 years. I mean, I, I look back two years ago, I couldn't even imagine that I would every day use generative AI in CG, pt.
And, and now here I am. Right? So I'm getting here because I'm thinking like it's, it's, it's exciting time to live in, in this period. But also I feel like it's, [00:17:00] it's hard to, you kind of have to readopt. Every few months to something new to, to new careers or new ways to use technology. And it's, it's not easy.
So how, how does the up upgrade upgrading the, this, our software, which is the brain in our mind, comes into play from your perspective into this?
Jeremy Lasman: Yeah. I mean from that, from that perspective, like. We are in the future that we were talking about, like the future, like there are self-driving cars now and generative, like AI and all that.
It is, it is mind blowing when, when you put in that context to it, uh,
when we, when, when I said like taking that metaphor, metaphor even further and [00:18:00] actually seeing humans. As, as a type of technology with hardware, software, uh, a quantum user, uh, consciousness, uh, uh, kind of, uh, a consciousness unity there. Uh, what you are kind of pointing at, I feel is.
Mm. You know, actually, I, I, it is something that I, I learned actually being a professional wrestling fan since I was a kid. Uh, and it is really funny because I, I garner so much from this and, and maybe this analogy can help like how I see it, but I. The way that I saw how professional wrestling and the fans and the culture informed how the art form has evolved [00:19:00] over the last 50 years or more.
It is very on pulse with evolution, uh, with, with how evolution functions in a, in a really cool way because. I saw, 'cause I'd been, I have watched it my entire life. I, but I saw
when stuff stagnated, you saw culture, not just wrestling culture, but culture change and that informed the, the pivots and the way that they changed how they did it. Based off of how culture was and it, it's been this ongoing adjustment and, and it's a very evolutionary thing, uh, to see that. And, and that's why coming to the operating system level is so important because we aren't still using [00:20:00] Windows 95 today.
Technology, some
Marco Ciappelli: somewhere. Unfortunately, you probably do. Oh yeah. I mean, oh God. That would be a
Jeremy Lasman: headache, right?
Marco Ciappelli: We're not talking about cybersecurity here. Yeah. And the government problem, sorry, I have to make the joke.
Jeremy Lasman: No, it's a good one. That's, yeah, I, it's a good one. Uh, I guess maybe we reframe it. We don't want to be using Windows nine five today.
Right? Because if we
Marco Ciappelli: can, we don't want to, we don't want,
Jeremy Lasman: and so. That's the same thing, but on a human level, uh, we call it, uh, at my company, survival of the Fittest Os as the old antiquated os. That doesn't allow us to evolve and change more flowingly, more, uh, uh, as you were saying, uh, quicker, more, more efficiently.
And. Because [00:21:00] just like a uh uh, I mean, would I go back like Windows 95 being 32 bit and then they went to 64 bit because the processors allowed, and then the software used the processors, and it's the same thing here. Survival of the Fittest was designed for more of an animal. Instinctual, uh, fear and threat driven environment, and it got us very far.
It helped us survive. Uh, but we're hitting the bottlenecks, and that's what all the anxiety and stress and negativity and is, is symbolizing, is that passion that we were talking about. It is getting stuck. It's getting bottlenecked in the body, [00:22:00] mind, spirit, uh, pipe piping, pipeline plumbing. Uh, choose your metaphor there, right?
Like, and when we look at it from an operating system level, that's what opens up the question of.
What would we rather be driven by if we don't necessarily need fear like we used to because of what technology provides and being more conscious that we are technology to not separate from it. Uh. This opens up the avenues of, of what upgrading our operating system, uh, can, can really open up in terms of beyond binary, uh, quantum computing.
Uh, Google just released [00:23:00] something about, uh, uh, quantum computing advancement, being able to do a, a, a calculation that like would take thousands of years. They did it in five minutes. And so these type of things are occurring because as a humanity, we're approaching the need to upgrade our own hardware, software, services, apps, uh, from the old binary, you know, ways into more of a quantum computing, uh, faster, more dynamic processing that allows us to, uh.
Flow better, align better with how fast, as you were saying, these changes are occurring so rapidly, uh, and that we don't wanna be left behind.
Marco Ciappelli: Hmm. So the, the way you make me think about this is, is this, tell me if I, if I'm wrong, [00:24:00] we need to be more of an open source software. Mm-hmm. Or a brain, right?
Instead of a windows. Operating system that it's close to everything else, and we only, you know, and, and the updates is, it's a much slower process. We need to be kind of more receptive, I guess, and, and get input from a lot of smart programmers and coders out there and have kind of like a, a mental openness and a culture that allows to maybe learn new things.
But also being able to judge those new things, not just get it because they push the upgrade. Mm-hmm. But because I decided that's a good upgrade. Maybe for me, I don't know. I'm just thinking I'm going into culture. Right? Like changing the culture in that, that we live in our [00:25:00] society where we don't look at things in a binary way, black and white, good and bad.
Left and right, whatever it is, but more open to changes. Yeah. But, but the big question is, and I go back, it's is the culture, because I feel like the educational system and, and a lot of things in our society, unfortunately, they're still very, very much closed. It's almost like, um, the, the education system itself,
Jeremy Lasman: oh,
Marco Ciappelli: it's good to get you to learn how to write and read, but then, you know.
Good luck after that. Right. So,
Jeremy Lasman: uh, you wanna get me start on my, my, this case for public education, man? Yeah.
If, if I were to offer, I, I guess something to open the mind there to maybe explode some possibilities is, uh,[00:26:00]
the. Uh, uh, public education teaches us to silo subjects in our mind. Uh,
Marco Ciappelli: no.
Jeremy Lasman: But when we take a step back, uh, with what you were kind of leading to with, rather than closed, we're, we're talking more childlike, curiosity and wonder Yeah.
Marco Ciappelli: Why questions, right? Yes. Curiosity. Yeah.
Jeremy Lasman: Yes. Uh. When we take a step back from the mind there of, of how we were taught and, and, and see the imagination as, uh, technology,
we can entertain the idea of maybe tearing down those silos, uh, letting this [00:27:00] knowledge play together. Uh. Because it gives us a more holistic, uh, creative view of, of all the data and the information that we have to play with here. Um,
at least that was something that, that I came up against when. When I was exploring what I felt was holding me back, uh, in terms of like this, like this wall from th this wall that I, I saw cons was constructed by school and, and. Being separated from my passion for learning. And [00:28:00] so seeing like what that wall is constructed by and, and having the courage to tear down some of those bricks to, to see why it was designed in the first place, uh, it, I feel so important to.
To opening up as you're saying that the, the, the potential and, and the intelligence, the human intelligence that we have capable of here.
Marco Ciappelli: So is your idea, your vision then is that if we let our passion. Flow more freely and we're less constricted by societal norms and rules and fears of being judged and all these walls and silos that been put in our head, um, from the educational system and, and other system that we have, um, [00:29:00] then we could be more creative, more innovative, and maybe be even innovate and create with more.
Purpose, maybe a,
Jeremy Lasman: a a hundred percent. Um, and I, I don't want to get, you know, too, too into the, the business stuff, but my invention was this new operating system, right? Uh, and, and I call it imagination technology as a challenger to survival of the fittest. Hmm. Uh, so that, that's where I, I went with this, is I saw the need.
I need a new operating system.
Marco Ciappelli: Hmm.
Jeremy Lasman: Uh, but in any personal development and spirituality and all the silos, it wasn't addressing what I was really needing. It was, you know, behavioral, psychological, [00:30:00] spiritual, uh, philosophical, all great areas of, of, of knowledge and wisdom. But for me as an inventor, I saw the need for no survival of the fittest needs a challenger brand.
It has the monopoly on the human species, and it, it's not helping us anymore. It, it's holding us back. Um, and so that's was my soul's work was I want to invent a new operating system so that it can accomplish what you're saying. Uh, open source, the. The, the body, mind, spirit and, and get people to the essence, not to become someone that they're not like trying to stand on old architecture, but to tear down and subtract what no longer serves us, uh, so that we can find our natural state.
Marco Ciappelli: [00:31:00] Okay. And. I know we said we weren't talking about the business, but it's also the, the way that, that, that drive your way of thinking, which is intrigues me. Um, so few hints on how did you do that? I mean, I understand there is that you gotta open your mind and, and, and be receptive and, but you said he is an invention.
Do they capture that? So, so give me, gimme a t like a, a, a summary of that. Meaning how do you do that? Because for me it would be, um, it's a, it's a book that tells me how to do thing or sitting with a psychologist that help me to Sure. You know, open my mind. I also like, I'm going with my sci-fi brain and I'm thinking like, you're gonna plug something in, in my head, like in a helmet and I start seeing a [00:32:00] different world or, yeah.
No. What's the, I mean, don't give away everything, but yeah. What is it?
Jeremy Lasman: Yeah. I, I always, I, I do some podcasts here and there, but like, I always joke that I was my own first test subject and metaphorically like. Taking a scalpel to my own mind and, and prying around in there. Um, no, it, it's, it's actually, I, I say simple, not easy, but it's very simple, uh, in, in, in the sense that it's delivered through a series of, of, of, of five videos.
Uh, and I do have a book as well that, uh, we're calling the manual and it's kind of my personal journey to it and backstory and all of that.
Marco Ciappelli: The software manual is that?
Jeremy Lasman: It's sort of,
Marco Ciappelli: yeah.
Jeremy Lasman: The software manual for your brain.
Marco Ciappelli: Okay.
Jeremy Lasman: Yeah. And it [00:33:00] offers three counterculture theories that's not posed as a additive self-help.
Uh, here's information to, to eat, uh, and, and, and consume. It's more taught from a no, you test it in your own way because it's all about a counterculture, subtraction of, of things at, at your own evolution. Uh, so. One example to to not give it all away. 'cause it, it is a, uh, an experience to experience. Mm-hmm.
Uh, and, and to try. But, um, one of the main ones is, is called the day one theory. And, and that's kind of just posing the difference between survival of the fittest, which is all about linear time. Uh, and, and a [00:34:00] time based dimension of, of living. Uh. Very appropriate for, for how we needed to survive. Uh, but then you have the, these teachings of timelessness that come from maybe philosophy or spirituality or it, it, this is nothing new.
It's just kind of a repackaged way of doing it in a technological way. Mm-hmm. Uh, so it's what happens when you take. The teaching of timelessness into survival of the fittest, and you see which one is actually, uh, accurate and, and true for you. Uh, I mean, I, I would assume maybe a, a lot of your, uh, listeners have are into personal development and maybe they have heard like that time is an illusion [00:35:00] or time isn't real, like there's some edges there.
That, that are explored, but it's really about applying that in a, in a counterculture way to your operating system.
Marco Ciappelli: Hmm.
Jeremy Lasman: Uh, challenging how much time, uh, you're carrying and whether or not, given the choice do you actually want to, does it, is it is an alignment, does it feel good? Uh. Empowering versus how well you can process when your operating system is timeless.
Marco Ciappelli: Hmm.
Jeremy Lasman: Does that make make sense? Uh,
Marco Ciappelli: well in my, in my brain. Yeah. I mean, I'm also seeing the metrics and you know, it's, yes. Kinda like you want the red or the blue pill. Exactly. Do you wanna expand your mind or you wanna just. [00:36:00] Stake. That is not, that is not, it tastes real, but it's not. Right. I mean, I, I, I'm with you.
I mean, this is very philosophical. Um, I think it is intriguing for a lot of people where I like how you call it honestly, the, the it, which is not information technology, but imagination technology. I can see the connection there. Mm-hmm. And, and, and I think that, um. It's a great starting point for everybody to kind of think the way, if I'm gonna wrap it in this connection between society and technology and individuals that are in it.
Number one, not refuse things. I. Uh, as a, without thinking about it, without testing it, without trying it, right? Yes. Many times like, Nope, not gonna use generative ai. Screw that. That's not gonna happen. And I'm like, well, you want to criticize something? Let's give it a go. Right. I'm [00:37:00] not saying you need to jump in in the fire to see if it, if it's burning, but you can taste things in a, in a safe way.
And so judge for yourself. Yes. And, and, and break certain, certain rules. So you have to think a little bit in, in a, in a counter intuitive way. Um, I like the metaphor of time and everything is linear. Everything is black and white. So, question and, and that's how I'm gonna wrap this. Um, I'm gonna give you another couple of minutes to kind of summarize if you have something that you would, maybe you would learn from this conversation or inspire you to do something else, as is a two-way, uh, conversation here.
It's not just me asking question and you answering, but for me it is. It is that connection between us driving technology and, and changing the culture, but also the need to be open to, to it, and then, and then drive technology towards the [00:38:00] better humanity. Let, let's use that, this technology and let's honestly question the hell out of everything.
And I think we will be in a much better space. So that, that's my take from this conversation and, and it really made me think. And so, I don't know. Is it a take on, on your side to, to close this conversation, maybe make you think something that made you think something that you weren't thinking? I don't know.
Jeremy Lasman: Yeah. I. I think that when I, when I really get down to it, the, this, this idea like redefining society and, and how we are collaborating with, with technology,
I'm really reminded and, [00:39:00] and really kind of confirmed to see the. It, it's both a, an individual and a collective thing. It's not just collective. Um, it, it starts with the, the individual and then ripples to a, a collective thing. And, and it's that invitation, uh, of. Freedom and, and not just like conditional freedom, like a financial freedom or
Marco Ciappelli: mm-hmm.
Jeremy Lasman: Things like that. But the unconditional freedom that
is the in is the invitation to, to even like take the baby steps of this, of. Waking up from the matrix or cha like challenging these old paradigms and mm-hmm. The desire to upgrade your, your, your operating system, [00:40:00] uh, it takes courage, it takes bravery. It, it's not for the faint of heart. Um, but it does start on an individual level.
Mm-hmm. And I think just doing things like having conversations like this and having the ability for other people to. To, to hear it, hear, hear it, and be in on it, uh, provides that invitation to people that it's possible. Mm-hmm. Just like when people thought the, uh, four minute, five minute mile wasn't possible, and then someone did it, and now, now it's, oh, it's possible.
So it just takes that and then. It gains that momentum. Um, yeah. But it starts on that individual level, um, for, for that evolution to, to inspire.
Marco Ciappelli: Yeah. I, I agree. And, and of course, you know, when we talk about society is it's. Many individual that start thinking together. And, and I feel like in, in the long run, and we can go [00:41:00] philosophical again here, but is the fact that again, it, it's a two way street, which is the way I started society and technology influences each other and tech and, and society itself and the individual.
I, I think if you live in a society that stimulate and, and, and invites you to develop your own individuality. Mm. More people would probably think about that instead of a society that kind of push you down and, and then you, you don't think at yourself as an operating system that you can upgrade. But that's what I've been given and it's what I have.
Yeah. So, yeah, a lot to think here. Um, I I want to thank you, Jeremy, for this conversation. I didn't really know where it was gonna go. It was rousing, but, but I really, I really enjoyed it. I hope. The audience enjoyed, and as I usually say, uh, now they have more questions. Then, uh, then answers. We probably did a good job.
'cause, uh, you know, you gotta question [00:42:00] everything. So I invite everybody to subscribe, to check in the notes. Uh, they'll be linked to your profile, social media profile and your website. And, uh, learn more about what, what you do, what you think, and, and, uh, let us know. Uh, leave some comments and subscribe. So, Jeremy, thank you very much for your time.
Jeremy Lasman: Appreciate it, Marco.
Marco Ciappelli: All right. Take care everybody.